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	<title>Comments on: Conversion on a limited budget: Users vs experts</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: VisualRevenue &#124; In qualitative analysis 5-8 users are enough</title>
		<link>http://www.lunametrics.com/blog/2007/05/10/conversion-on-a-limited-budget-users-vs-experts/#comment-1508</link>
		<dc:creator>VisualRevenue &#124; In qualitative analysis 5-8 users are enough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blog – add it to your list, it belongs there. Secondly, there was a great post the other day: Conversion on a limited budget: Users vs experts – which you should read. I had a reply to the post or more precisely the one comment saying: “I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blog – add it to your list, it belongs there. Secondly, there was a great post the other day: Conversion on a limited budget: Users vs experts – which you should read. I had a reply to the post or more precisely the one comment saying: “I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis R. Mortensen</title>
		<link>http://www.lunametrics.com/blog/2007/05/10/conversion-on-a-limited-budget-users-vs-experts/#comment-481</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis R. Mortensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 19:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries Robbin :-)

I actually took the time and wrote a blog post about it (&lt;a href="http://visualrevenue.com/blog/2007/05/in-qualitative-analysis-5-8-users-are.html" rel="nofollow"&gt; In qualitative analysis 5-8 users are enough&lt;/a&gt;); as I find usability testing quite fascinating. 

Cheers ..
Dennis


Dennis R. Mortensen, COO at IndexTools
My &lt;a href="http://visualrevenue.com/blog" rel="nofollow"&gt;Web Analytics Blog&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries Robbin <img src='http://www.lunametrics.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I actually took the time and wrote a blog post about it (<a href="http://visualrevenue.com/blog/2007/05/in-qualitative-analysis-5-8-users-are.html" rel="nofollow"> In qualitative analysis 5-8 users are enough</a>); as I find usability testing quite fascinating. </p>
<p>Cheers ..<br />
Dennis</p>
<p>Dennis R. Mortensen, COO at IndexTools<br />
My <a href="http://visualrevenue.com/blog" rel="nofollow">Web Analytics Blog</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robbin</title>
		<link>http://www.lunametrics.com/blog/2007/05/10/conversion-on-a-limited-budget-users-vs-experts/#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 21:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis - I am so sorry that this took so long to post. It is my fault, it went into auto-moderation and I didn't notice it. 

You were so politic here. It is really ME you are disagreeing with, not my customer. Thank you for teaching me something new. And of course I remember you. I am just waiting for the day when a customer comes to me and says, Robbin, we want your help with WA, and we use INDEXTOOLS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis - I am so sorry that this took so long to post. It is my fault, it went into auto-moderation and I didn&#8217;t notice it. </p>
<p>You were so politic here. It is really ME you are disagreeing with, not my customer. Thank you for teaching me something new. And of course I remember you. I am just waiting for the day when a customer comes to me and says, Robbin, we want your help with WA, and we use INDEXTOOLS!</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis R. Mortensen</title>
		<link>http://www.lunametrics.com/blog/2007/05/10/conversion-on-a-limited-budget-users-vs-experts/#comment-388</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis R. Mortensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 22:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robbin,

First. Very nice to meet you in San Francisco (you might remember me sitting with Avinash). As you know, I am an avid reader of your blog and this is another great post. However; I would like to take the liberty to disagree with your client in his saying:

â€œI highly doubt that I am going to learn anything with 5-8 usersâ€

I honestly think that this is incorrect and biased. If one read studies like: â€œA mathematical model of the finding of usability problemsâ€ and other similar literature like â€œStochastic Processesâ€ â€“ one will see that a very limited number of user have a â€œdecentâ€ impact in a user test (whether that be for better usability and or specifically for increased conversion; which by the way typically is the result of increased usability)

Jacob Nielsen introduced a model saying 

N(1-(1-L) to the power n)

N is the total number of usability problems in the given design 
L is the proportion of problems discovered testing 1 user

Having this is mind; you can do a couple of test calculations and will typically see that with 5 â€“ 8 users you would get (assuming the first user finds about one third of the problems) between 80% and 90%. Thus concluding that one WILL discover (learn) most problems by using only 5-8 users.

Cheers..

Dennis R. Mortensen, COO at IndexTools
My &lt;a href="http://visualrevenue.com/blog" rel="nofollow"&gt;Web Analytics Blog&lt;/a&gt; - ...And learn how to &lt;a href="http://visualrevenue.com/blog/2007/05/use-web-analytics-to-determine-width-of.html" rel="nofollow"&gt; Use Web Analytics to determine the width of your Internal Search Query box&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robbin,</p>
<p>First. Very nice to meet you in San Francisco (you might remember me sitting with Avinash). As you know, I am an avid reader of your blog and this is another great post. However; I would like to take the liberty to disagree with your client in his saying:</p>
<p>â€œI highly doubt that I am going to learn anything with 5-8 usersâ€</p>
<p>I honestly think that this is incorrect and biased. If one read studies like: â€œA mathematical model of the finding of usability problemsâ€ and other similar literature like â€œStochastic Processesâ€ â€“ one will see that a very limited number of user have a â€œdecentâ€ impact in a user test (whether that be for better usability and or specifically for increased conversion; which by the way typically is the result of increased usability)</p>
<p>Jacob Nielsen introduced a model saying </p>
<p>N(1-(1-L) to the power n)</p>
<p>N is the total number of usability problems in the given design<br />
L is the proportion of problems discovered testing 1 user</p>
<p>Having this is mind; you can do a couple of test calculations and will typically see that with 5 â€“ 8 users you would get (assuming the first user finds about one third of the problems) between 80% and 90%. Thus concluding that one WILL discover (learn) most problems by using only 5-8 users.</p>
<p>Cheers..</p>
<p>Dennis R. Mortensen, COO at IndexTools<br />
My <a href="http://visualrevenue.com/blog" rel="nofollow">Web Analytics Blog</a> - &#8230;And learn how to <a href="http://visualrevenue.com/blog/2007/05/use-web-analytics-to-determine-width-of.html" rel="nofollow"> Use Web Analytics to determine the width of your Internal Search Query box</a></p>
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